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"And Mike13 is in no position to lecture Twitch about his grittiness or tell him to tone it down........."
I haven't found any posts that suggest you do that. Nor do I find any posts from others that suggest Twitch do that. The posts I read are more directed at calling him to task for his comments about Christianity.
"You can teach a man to drink, but he will have to learn to pee on his own."
This is the difficulty in discussing matters of faith in the sandbox........It is not just another subject..........I'm concerned about the tone of the conversation.........It should reflect more love.........more humility.........if it is from the Lord............
I'd like to see the ideas evaluated without personal attacks..........It would demonstrate a certain maturity..........a spiritual understanding..........
Twitch was the messenger............the concepts he brought forth not new........Why not deal with the subject matter?
Twitch was the messenger.
& Twitch's message is nothing more than blasphemy & disrespect for the religious beliefs of others. He has no beliefs, therefore he attacks the religious beliefs of others and attempts to make a mockery of them. He isn't interested in love, or kindness, or spirituality, his only interest is hatred for the religious holidays celebrated not only by the majority of Americans, but by millions of people around the world. I see it constantly by atheists ( agnostics & whatevers ) during Easter and Christmas, as they have no religion, they pick these holidays to launch mean-spirited attacks against the religious beliefs that millions of people regard as sacred and hold dear, not only because they simply don't believe in them, but because their hearts are full of hatred & Twitch's anti-Christian hogwash is a shining example of that hatred.
"To anger a conservative, lie to him.
To anger a liberal, tell him the truth"~Theodore Roosevelt
"Twitch was the messenger............the concepts he brought forth not new........Why not deal with the subject matter?"
There are messengers and then there are messengers. Some messengers are told to deliver a message and therefore are merely middlemen. Then there are messengers who chose the message to be delivered. Twitch falls into the latter category. Deal with the subject matter? Come on...he attacks, making all kinds of claims. Why is it necessary to defend our faith against folks like that? Why does he care what our faith is and what we believe? What is his motive for carrying forward the "message?" IMO, he needs to explain why he is negative about Christianity. Why should we have to defend every charge he brings forth? IMO, none of what he says in his attacks, at this point, have to do with how our religion affects him or has affected him. He simply is attacking our faith.
So what is your point?
What Democrats want to murder first-born males? Your God, Yahweh was all about murdering people.
Abortion is not about a political party. If you consider that to be murder and condemn it, then you must condemn your own religion for promoting murder in the Old Testament.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
April 5 2012
Twitch: "Christian Easter stems from a pagan festival"
& nothing could be further from the truth. Christian Easter stems from the resurrection of Jesus Christ after his crucifixion which occurred during Jewish Passover. Passover is a Jewish festival celebrating the Exodus of the Jewish people from Egyptian bondage. Jewish Passover begins on the 15th of the month of Nisan in the Jewish calender which happens to coincide with Spring in the Northern Hemisphere. Being that these events are celebrated during the Spring of the year in the Northern Hemisphere, Western culture has adopted traditional Spring symbols ( eggs, flowers, rabbits, baby ducks, etc ) as part of the celebration ( & usually it's for the entertainment of children ), but your claim that "Christian Easter stems ( aka: originates ) from a 'pagan' festival" is nothing more than your usual anti-Christian HOGWASH
Actually the word "Easter" comes from the greek word "Eostre" the goddess of Spring for whom a spring festival was celebrated annually. The cruxifiction of Christ happened after Passover which coincided with this festival. That is why many Christians are now referring to the holiday as "Resurrection Day" instead of Easter. In addition the egg was a symbol of fertility, also celebrated in the spring, which probably led to the "Easter Egg". The rabbit was also a symbol of fertility, celebrated with the spring, which probably led to the Easter Bunny.
God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses as the law for man to follow. Man chose the punishments for breaking those laws.
*My comments about Christianity have involved actual quotes and teachings by Jesus in the New Testament which I called VERY LIBERAL. The quotes speak for themselves.
*My comments about the barbarism in the Old Testament, commands to murder, etc. involved the actual commandments and verses in the O.T. Thankfully almost no one heeds these evil and barbaric ideas today.
*My comments about pagan elements and influences in Christianity are not being contested. (Some Christians acknowledge all the pagan symbols, rituals and traditions and cry out in warning to avoid them. "Beware!" etc. I have embraced them as meaningful. To each his own.
*My list of things for clarification to Winterville Girl, PCP, etc. was just that. I wasn't endorsing each contradictory position. I was asking for someone's input on what it is that they believe. It was a survey, Louis.
What about all the other commandments in the Old Testament where God is saying to murder people for all sorts of reasons?
You have God saying both "Thou Shalt Not Kill," and "Thou Shalt Kill" for all kinds of stupid reasons in the Torah. (The Books of Moses)
If someone is working on the sabbath, do you kill them or not according to the Books of Moses?
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