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WK5
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Mike13 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/04/opinion/carpenter-drug-war/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7 Folly indeed.....prohibition needs to go......
What happened with abortion when prohibition went?
"In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst." C.S. Lewis
Mike13
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WK5 wrote:
What happened with abortion when prohibition went?
Mikey doesn't understand your question.......
WK5
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What happened when abortion was no longer prohibited by law? Did it decrease? What other fallout has there been beyond the 70 million slaughtered Americans even? I do understand/agree with you though, in that maybe interventions make things truly worse than if government had never stepped in. Now we face so much turmoil and lostness and harms that we can't really figure out how to fix the fix that never was. Back and forth... its just getting worse so that no matter which way you go to and fro... there seems to be no really good answer. You know? We do know for certain though that drugs are doing wicked things to our nation and world. I think evil is celebrating that, in order to use it. Is it not obvious?
"In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst." C.S. Lewis
Mike13
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I think we agree that government errs by allowing abortion.........Children have rights, too........ In my view government(s) also err in this war on drugs.........Adults have rights.........
PittCountyPride
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Mike13 wrote:
I think we agree that government errs by allowing abortion.........Children have rights, too........ In my view government(s) also err in this war on drugs.........Adults have rights.........
The liberal-atarian "right" to smoke dope, sell crack cocaine to children and prostitute the human body stands in unity to and in legal precedence with the madeup, ficticious, artificially-created-out-of-thin-air leftwing "right" to abortion, health care and sodomy marriage...
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Demosthenes
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While I don't agree with the willy-nilly legalization of all drugs, I have a really big problem with how the agenda is pursued. My first issue is that our efforts are not only obviously not working, the onus is placed on the wrong people. Nobody should be in jail for possession of marijuana for a longer period than murderers and rapists. We throw people in jail for decades for a plant that grows naturally but let murderers out in months? That's absolutely ludicrous. My second major issue is why are more dangerous recreational drugs legal? Alcohol is far worse than marijuana in every way except one: legality. It kills more people directly and indirectly by an order of magnitude. It has destroyed more families and caused more heartache than probably all of the rest of the drugs combined. It is physically addictive and causes a myriad of negative health effects. I understand your position on this PCP. I even agree with it, mostly. The war, however, has failed to even curb drug use. Drugs are more potent and cheaper now than they were even 10 years ago. This strongly implies that the supply has not only not been diminished, it's been increased. I personally think that decriminalizing simple possession and instead focusing on rehabilitation and fixing the underlying problems that caused these individuals to turn to drugs in the first place would be a much more productive use of our resources. In exchange, making the act of dealing drugs such a prohibitively expensive crime in terms of prison sentence and financial penalties that it deters a good percentage of people getting started in the business at all might be a much wiser course. Either way, what we're doing now is not only ruinously expensive it also isn't working. It's time to change that. The answer isn't to just give up and make them all legal but it definitely isn't to keep poking ourselves in the eye with that same sharp stick either.
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Mike13
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WK5 wrote:
What happened when abortion was no longer prohibited by law? Did it decrease? What other fallout has there been beyond the 70 million slaughtered Americans even? I do understand/agree with you though, in that maybe interventions make things truly worse than if government had never stepped in. Now we face so much turmoil and lostness and harms that we can't really figure out how to fix the fix that never was. Back and forth... its just getting worse so that no matter which way you go to and fro... there seems to be no really good answer. You know? We do know for certain though that drugs are doing wicked things to our nation and world. I think evil is celebrating that, in order to use it. Is it not obvious?
WK, drugs don't do wicked things, people do..........You sound like one of the liberals saying guns are doing wicked things to our country.......I think we have to be smarter than that....... If somebody smokes a joint and then commits murder, he should be arrested for the murder, blaming it on marijuana is silly and irrelevant.......And arresting other people who are peacefully smoking weed and NOT committing murder is beyond silly to the point of guilty by association madness...... I don't like the government regulation on weed........I want less Sam, not more........Call me crazy........call me like the founders........call me a conservative, one who wants less government.........heck, call me a Libertarian, one who wants less government..........But with your actions it is folks like you and PCP who are advocating LIBERAL government policy with this wasteful, unsuccessful war on drugs by BIG SPENDING GOVERNMENT.......I don't understand why you guys, as conservatives, want to act like big government liberals........ It's time for a different approach.........The negatives generally associated with drugs by the media, such as gangs and violence, are actually a symptom of Sam's failure to secure our Southern border against invasion by Mexican criminals.........Remove the black market, most of this goes away........Plus the U.S. economy gets a much needed little economic boost...........People buy the gentle herb just like they buy liquor........Only difference is one gets taxed, one doesn't.......... We don't need Sam outlawing pork rinds or big gulps, either...........It's time conservatives started acting like people who support less government regulation..........
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The war on drugs was lost the day that someone thought it was ok to break down someone's front door because they didn't want to spend the time catching them breaking the law. I used to trust the police and the legal system when I was a kid. That universal trust is gone. There are many in the police departments that are just as bad as any criminal on the street. Now we find out that there were up to six undercover police on site when the guy in the SUV got beaten by the biker gang. They were worried about their cover so they didn't stop the beating and they didn't come forward for almost a week. I don't think all drugs should be legal since crack and meth do put everyone in the area in danger. I do think we should have treatment centers for those addicted. A fenced in area down off the river would work. Have them kick in one of the recently cured addicts in their hole and cover them up before digging their own grave. Video the whole thing and show time lapsed video in drug classes. It wouldn't take long before drug dealers couldn't find anyone to buy the crap.
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WK5
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I think everyone here is making great sense and perfect points pro/con on the issue of drugs in America. Good ideas as with these possible solutions that will never prove perfect no matter which way you go. But I would like for each of you to stop and carefully consider what drugs are especially recreationally or haphazardly used for what Americans are using them for - legal or illegal? These types of drugs remove human reasoning/logic/conscience/skills/proper responsive skills. The drugs are producing a fictional and unrealistic state of being, which can indeed lead immediately to horrible situations not just for themselves - but those innocent living/working/playing that happen to be around them or cross their pathways. I'd also like to point out that I see no difference in its effects on human beings, as the scalpel of an abortionist. To Christians? I'd like to further that idea by suggesting that these drugs are what we know/understand to be sorceries. Even the legal stuff. Remember that the purpose of such is flying in direct disregard for what God has deemed appropriate and while we struggle with such issues... you have to keep in mind why it is that God warned us of these things and why. For ourselves sake and others. Please remember all the destructions/devastating effects of all these things, and remember that we should never give freedom/liberty to it for very good reasons. Not that we cannot move to be far wiser in how we all go about trying our best to keep it out of the way of our people. These powerful mind altering drugs have got to be treated as the dangerous tools they are. For they are most certainly The Destroyer's tool. They destroy lives in immediate ways as well as long term ways and ways that move into future generations -- and to say there is no reason to refuse it freedom/liberty/celebration in our lives? That would not only be grossly negligent but also would be evil's tool to the detriment of human souls. As has already been amply proven. It is not the same as something like sugar, salt, tobacco and such. Those things do harm users over time, but what is remarkable is to find the willingness to attack those things hypocritically when trying to give freedom/liberty to powerful mind altering drugs that do immediate harms and long term harms for certain in very ugly and violent ways that are often immediate. If it were as benign as Mike rolling around in a patch of poison ivy naked... there would be no reason to say anything nor make a law against typical human stupidity. Drugs aren't just typical human stupidity, they aren't just typical human recreation... they aren't even just temptations. We shouldn't be tolerant to their acceptance, entrance, usage, behaviors - they should be kept taboo. Why? If you can't figure that out by now... then you've been blinded and deafened by something at work you don't quite realize is at work using you as tool. A huge tool of destruction and that only comes out of one place. We're not supposed to condone it.
"In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst." C.S. Lewis
Mike13
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I don't know, WK, I've known some straight people who were pretty crazy, too.........lol..........With all due respect, of course........

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