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PittCountyPride
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Demosthenes wrote:
Where it becomes problematic is when the Bible is supposed to be perfectly literal all the time. In those cases, the contradictions cannot be explained because it requires an interpretive reading of the Bible to explain them.
Who told you the Bible is "perfectly literal at all times"? If that were so, why are we admonished to read and study it? I think you're using a definition for literal that no one I know uses...
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me." Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Jackson, 1862.
PittCountyPride
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Demosthenes wrote:
You cannot claim interpretative reading and literalness in the same breath my friend. Either the Bible is literal or it is not. If parts of it are open to interpretation then all of it is. I don't have a problem with the contradictions for myself because I don't look at every word as literal. I believe that if you look deeply, those contradictions are, as you said, able to be explained. Where it becomes problematic is when the Bible is supposed to be perfectly literal all the time. In those cases, the contradictions cannot be explained because it requires an interpretive reading of the Bible to explain them.
I found this on the internet and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on interpreting the Bible literally... I don't think you understand literal interpretation of the Bible, Demosthenes... The Bible does not have a private interpretation, only what God literally intends for it to say and you can know through study and prayer... Question: "Can / Should we interpret the Bible as literal?" Answer: Not only can we take the Bible literally, but we must take the Bible literally. This is the only way to determine what God really is trying to communicate to us. When we read any piece of literature, but especially the Bible, we must determine what the author intended to communicate. Many today will read a verse or passage of Scripture and then give their own definitions to the words, phrases, or paragraphs, ignoring the context and author’s intent. But this is not what God intended, which is why God tells us to correctly handle the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did. The disciples also took the commands of Christ (which are part of the Bible) literally. Jesus commanded the disciples to go and make more disciples in Matthew 28:19-20. In Acts 2 and following, we find that the disciples took Jesus' command literally and went throughout the known world of that time preaching the gospel of Christ and telling them to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Just as the disciples took Jesus’ words literally, so must we. How else can we be sure of our salvation if we do not believe Him when He says He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), pay the penalty for our sin (Matthew 26:28), and provide eternal life (John 6:54)? Although we take the Bible literally, there are still figures of speech within its pages. An example of a figure of speech would be that if someone said "it is raining cats and dogs outside," you would know that they did not really mean that cats and dogs were falling from the sky. They would mean it is raining really hard. There are figures of speech in the Bible which are not to be taken literally, but those are obvious. (See Psalm 17:8 for example.) Finally, when we make ourselves the final arbiters of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, we elevate ourselves above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? The confusion and distortions that would inevitably result from such a system would essentially render the Scriptures null and void. The Bible is God’s Word to us and He meant it to be believed—literally and completely. Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-literal.html#ixzz2lOYsMfNj
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me." Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Jackson, 1862.
Mike13
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I think we can say that God is true, His Word is true, and man has provided many translations and interpretations of the Bible over the years.......some of which can be taken more literally than others.........In my view, the real Word of God is what we understand in our spirit through study and His grace.......Rhema knowledge.........Words on pages are just the beginning........One example of this is how we don't seem to mind reading 1611 King James English, odd as it is now, four centuries later, when we pick up this version of the Bible.........We move past the thees and thous to deeper study.......Taking everything you see, hear, or read literally is obviously not a good idea, nor is it always intellectually honest........I do believe God expects us to use our brain........
Demosthenes
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All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, right? Except Job, who was perfect. My friend, it seems we will never agree on this. If you see one part as a "figure of speech" then why cannot I see another part as a figure of speech? How can there be days and nights when there are no planets, stars, and Sun? Figure of speech? If that's a figure of speech then how do we know that the days and nights spoken of are not just a way of communicating a passage of time that is unknown and unknowable? Are the parables of Jesus literal? Obviously not, they're teaching stories. If Jesus, who is one part of a single God that consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, uses stories to teach lessons then why would other parts not follow? I have no other choice under the sun but to accept the interpretations that I feel I have been led to because anything else would be following a man instead of God which is expressly forbidden in religious terms. We're really saying the same thing. We just disagree about which parts are to be taken perfectly literally and which parts are parables or figures of speech.
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PittCountyPride
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Mike13 wrote:
Taking everything you see, hear, or read literally is obviously not a good idea, nor is it always intellectually honest........I do believe God expects us to use our brain........
I agree. God didn't leave his word in trees to be picked and eaten. It must be read and studied... I bet I could read some of your love letters to your wife and wouldn't understand much of what I read. It was written to her by you, just as the Bible is written by God for his children.... As I said earlier, Jesus wasn't literal when He said He is the vine and we are the branches, but he had a literal meaning that comes out with study and prayer... I understand it, though I probably didn't before I became a child of God..... Even a child has to grow up before he understands complex truth..... So must a Christian grow to spiritual adulthood...
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me." Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Jackson, 1862.
Mike13
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I also believe God wants us to seek Him and His desires, rather than place our intellectual pursuit first..........Where science often errs, in my opinion, is when knowledge ( science ) becomes more important than God's glory and desire for us........We saw the Creator's reaction to this with the Tower of Babel..........With a right heart before Him, and diligent pursuit of knowledge in the proper perspective, no telling how much He may choose to reveal............. Mikey's certainly not perfect and my lack of interest in scientific things may even be a moral flaw for all I know, but I do feel a certain liberation in that I've honestly believed for many years now that my faith in the Father would not be enhanced one iota even if they literally did find, say, Noah's Ark.........I simply don't need the evidence...........God has made Himself manifest in my life.......literally........
PittCountyPride
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Mike13 wrote:
Mikey's certainly not perfect and my lack of interest in scientific things may even be a moral flaw for all I know, but I do feel a certain liberation in that I've honestly believed for many years now that my faith in the Father would not be enhanced one iota even if they literally did find, say, Noah's Ark.........I simply don't need the evidence...........God has made Himself manifest in my life.......literally........
Same for me. What evidence would the Ark of the Covenant be to us? The Bible is our love letter from God, a foretaste of good things to come to those who love Him. Without it, we would know very little about Him, nothing about prayer. I'm so thankful for it.... "... lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28.
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me." Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Jackson, 1862.
Mike13
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From the other sandbox..... http://www.reflector.com/opinion/letters/letter-gop-opposite-side-christ-2247467
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Another...... http://www.reflector.com/opinion/letters/letter-say-merry-christmas-fearlessly-2243741
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"Do not let power-hungry activist groups, formed to persecute not all religions, but Christianity alone, take away your freedoms." -Wes Thomas It seems Mr. Thomas, as many Christians, perhaps savor this idea of being persecuted. Interesting that it is OK for Christians to believe, at least by implication, that every atheist in these "power-hungry" activist groups is bound for an eternity of constant burning pain, but themselves are above criticism. By the way, have not "seen" you folks in a while . . . hope you are all having a joyous holiday season (just being obnoxious)
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